Tuesday, July 17, 2007

Profile of a Pregnant Petworthian (and Husband)

Karen and Steve, originally uploaded by Prince of Petworth.

Yesterday I sat down with with Karen and Steve who are expecting their first child in August. Steve, 38, an IT specialist for a government agency, moved to Petworth one year ago. He had been living in Dupont Circle for the past six years and decided to buy a house with his sister. After looking in Shaw, Brookland and Columbia Heights Steve ended up buying in Petworth because "Brookland wasn't city enough and Shaw was a bit too expensive." Karen, 38, a science writer and Pilates instructor, of course was consulted and added that "we liked how close it was to the metro, how close it was to the park (old soldier's home) and liked the diversity as well." Karen said, "I walked around and it was neighborly, everyone was very friendly." It also didn't hurt that "the house was completely redone and beautiful inside."

Karen had been living in Woodley Park but after their engagement, they pulled the old switcheroo on Steve's sister. So, Karen moved to Petworth and Steve's sister moved into Karen's condo in Woodley Park. Ultimately Karen and Steve will buy out Steve's sister and sell the condo in Woodley Park.

Karen went into greater detail about her love of Petworth. "I love the neighborliness and the fact that there are so many babies and toddlers on the block, all the parents say hi and offer helpful suggestions to me when they see that I am pregnant. In the 12 years I lived in Woodley Park there was nowhere near the amount of neighborliness that there is here." Karen also likes the diversity found in Petworth. "You don't see this much diversity and harmony too often in DC", she remarked.

Steve also likes the fact that Petworth is still very much a part of the city. He likes the urban feel combined with the neighborly feel. He also likes the fact that Georgia Avenue is such a vibrant street and he is excited about all the revitalization going on. Of course Steve and Karen were big fans of Temperance Hall (that is where we met for the interview.) Most of all both Steve and Karen would love to see a really good bakery come to the neighborhood.

When the baby arrives both Karen and Steve believe that Day Care is a very viable option in Petworth. They like the fact that there are so many day care options as well as not having to worry about booking them a year in advance. Karen also added excitedly, "and there is playground nearby!".

If all goes well when the baby reaches school age Karen and Steve would like to send him/her (they didn't find out the sex of the baby) to a Math and Science Charter school that is moving to Petworth. Unfortunately, this Charter school has such a good reputation that you have to win a lottery to have your child attend. Karen and Steve don't believe that DC public schools will provide the best education. They joke that if they don't win the lottery to the Math and Science Charter School they may start their own.

Five years from now Karen and Steve may have more children thus requiring them to find a bigger house. They'd like to stay in the neighborhood but if that is not possible they will seek to stay in the "general vicinity." In five years they hope that Petworth will remain a diverse and dynamic community with more commercial options. But they hope it retains the neighborhood feeling that attracted them to Petworth in the first place.


J.Con. said...

Nice profile, PoP.

Mark my words: Petworth will become D.C.'s Park Slope. People like this couple and my wife and me will be held responsible.

oden said...

What? More Yankee fans?? There goes the neighborhood!

steve said...

I hope you weren't referring to me, Oden. I grew up in Chicago, man. Cubbies! (and occasionally ChiSox...when they're playing the Yanks)

what's folks' views on the stadium? Personally, being a baseball fan, I'm excited. I know it has (and will) sucked $$ from the city coffers and residents. And yes, we need more $$ into the schools. But the council wouldn't approve that kind of $$ for the schools anyway. At least this may bring some rejuvenation to that part of DC.

100 years of trash said...

Why the disparaging comments about our public schools? And, why aren't DC's new wealthy residents willing to pitch in and do their part to improve our community public schools. I guess it's more appealing for folks to start a free private "charter school" than have to deal with DC's riff-raff. It is a shame though.

Anonymous said...

I am sure the wealthy new comers would be happy to pitch in to improve the public schools, if they would see a reasonable cost/effort to benefit/improvements ratio. It is also easy to talk about it but when one is faced with the selection of a school for your OWN kid.. well, blood is thicker than water.

Where can I find out more about the Math and Science Charter School moving to Petworth?

oden said...

Although I haven't seen the figures myself, my understanding is that DC schools get, per capita, more money than just about any school district in the land. The problems aren't all about money. I have also been told by "those that know" that DC has a huge number of special needs kids, and since the district doesn't currently have the staff or the facilities to serve them all, by law the district has to pay through the nose to private schools to educate these kids. Rather then hire staff and renovate or build new facilities the school administration would rather pour money down a drain to private schools. Hopefully the new superintendent (or chancellor, or whatever they are calling her) can make a dent -- but given her lack of experience at managing ANY school district, I tend to think she's not going to get far. You have a school system with such severe management issues that the city had to take control, then you go out and hire a novice manager? It seems like a bad idea.

Invisible Sun said...

j.con: while i have lived in nyc and heard of park slope--it's in brooklyn right? so i have no idea if it is a good thing or a bad thing to have one's neighborhood turned into 'park slope'. can you clarify? --confused from chicago

Prince of Petworth said...

NYT just did a cover story on the "Park Slope Parent Trap". Read it here.

100 years of trash said...

Wow. Too bad it's all about "cost/effort to benefit/improvements ratio(s)" or we could have a Janney, a Mann, a Hyde, or an Oyster in Columbia Heights AND Petworth. The problem is people over here operate on rumors and assumptions rather than actually going in and investigating the public schools that were part of the communities back before "Defend Brooklyn."

Anonymous said...

Lol.. so how would you suggest DC's new wealthy residents to pitch in and do their part to improve our community public schools?

100 years of trash said...

I'd suggest you walk in, introduce yourself to the principal, and ask how you can help improve the school.

oden said...

100 Years: It seems to me more than one person has posted here (in fairness, in response to other items) that they visited the schools before determining what to do. Some felt comfortable with the public K-9 options, some not, and nobody is impressed with Roosevelt, a perennially low performing high school. What other "investigation" is necessary when the performance (or lack thereof) of the school is made public?

As far as $$ goes, it turns out what I have often been told about funding is true: DC doesn't have a money problem. Per capita spending is well above average for larger school districts at nearly $13,000 per student. (see http://ftp2.census.gov/govs/school/05f33pub.pdf , Table 17). That compares with $7800 for Miami, $8600 for Chicago, $11,800 for Minneapolis, $13,700 for New York City, $8,800 for Philly, and $7,100 per student in Houston (HISD), from whence I graduated (barely). Conversely, Newark spends over $20K per student and has similarly low performing schools.

It isn't all money. It's management.

When Rod Paige (I know, boo! hiss!) took over HISD it was much like other low performing urban school districts. There was no way out, it was doomed to failure, yet somehow by cutting the fat, insisting on performance and discipline from students and staff, and using money for capital improvements instead of waste, HISD turned around significantly. Philly, a district that gets much less $$ than DC, has also shown some improvements recently (the Post just did a story last month about the changes in Philly).

I'd also like to deny, up front, that there is any correlation with HISD's numbers going up and my graduation just prior to said improvements.

Invisible Sun said...

good NYT article--but now i have to add mothers with children to my list of things to fear (i.e., so-called “stroller Nazis” and the “mommy mafia”) .... ;-)

Anonymous said...

Thanks. Did not realise it was that simple to improve a school. :)

Which public school are your kids going to, i.e. can you recommend one?

amyc said...

"Wealthy residents" are not going to fix DC public schools. The District needs to remove unqualified administrators, stick to one curriculum for more than 1-2 years, increase teacher support systems (especially programs for new teachers), provide vocational training and parent education classes. Please explain why "wealthy residents" shouldn't try to find solutions outside of this failed system that has been in a state of twitching collapse for decades, long before any influx of "new wealthy residents".

100 years of trash said...

Well, there are a lot of questions heeped upon me here, and I'm not sure what all the anger is about. Perhaps you folks don't like it when someone actually has something positive to say about the public schools you are so terrified of; but, I digress. I wonder how many of you have actually visited your neighborhood public schools. I was laughed at when I suggested it above, which I so don't get. I've worked at the same DC Public Elementary School for eight+ years, and we get silly nasty phone calls but not many visitors wondering how they can contribute to their community.

Amy C., there are quite a few high performing public elementary schools in DCPS(I named four or five above). And, wealthy residents are exactly what tip the scale to high performance in those schools. You get 10 or 12% middle to upper middle class kids with involved families that highly value education and the whole school succeeds. I've watched it happen in many parts of the city, as I've been in just about every E.S. in DC. It's happening at Ross E.S. as we speak, under one of the strongest administrators in the country. It doesn't happen in this neighborhood because rich people don't want their kids to go to school with poor or special needs kids. That's why the Charter Schools refuse those students entry or kick them out in October after they get that per pupil $$ Oden was mentioning. I am interested that you mention new teacher support programs as a major need. I'd argue that if we didn't hire so many Teaching Fellows & Teach for America kids, we would have qualified teachers that wouldn't need so much support.

Well, I've spouted enough self righteous rhetoric, and it appears this thread is being very deliberately burried anyway. Maybe it's not good for the GoogleAd traffic. I'd mention mine & my daughter's public schools by name, but you seem like an angry bunch and I don't know if I could keep up with your lottery.

Prince of Petworth said...

100 years of trash, you are aptly named. DC public schools suck and I would never sink my many millions into them. You deserve your lot.

Honestly, your second paragraph in the above comment is quite powerful. It is ruined by the tripe in your first and third paragraphs. You come off as a smug little man. Perhaps you are one, that is your prerogative. But don't accuse me of burying the thread - if you notice there is a most recent comments on the left so new comments always are seen. What do you want me to do write a new post everyday about the same thing?

100 years of trash said...

Again with all the anger; I don't get it. Enjoy your "millions", and keep trying to convince yourself and everyone else that you love your neighborhood.

I'll keep visiting your blog, and again encourage you to visit a public school in your neighborhood.

You know, instead of just declaring "DC public schools suck" without ever actually setting foot in one.

–adjective, smug·ger, smug·gest.
1.contentedly confident of one's ability or correctness.
2.trim; spruce; smooth; sleek.


Prince of Petworth said...

Well, I actually don't have millions and you don't have a very refined sense of humor. Feel free to send me your hate mail directly instead of getting totally off topic and ruining a nice portrait.

Jeff said...

I am jumping in here a little late, but I have a son who is a rising 2nd grader in a DC Public Charter school so none of this is theoretical to me. We visited our local elementary school which neighbors repeatedly told us we should avoid. I was impressed with the principal and the staff we met. However, we also visited charter schools and concluded that our son would do better in that environment. Contrary to what 100 Years says, special needs students have not been kicked out. A special needs student has been a classmate of my son for three years.

If the foundation for a successful school is in place, as it seemed to be in our local school, it should be possible to improve it dramatically with an influx of higher performing students. Such students frequently, but not always, come from more affluent families. However, the key more often is parental involvement rather than finances. Regardless, asking a parent to take a step that may be transformational to the school, but very risky in terms of his/her child's education is not easy. This does seem to be happening at Ross, so it can happen.

Also, 100 Years implies that his daughter attends a school that requires a lottery to attend. Only out of bounds students are subject to a lottery for public schools, and most of the schools with lotteries are west of the park. Isn't sending a student who is a resident of Petworth to an out of bounds school just as bad as sending the child to a charter school?

oden said...

100 years: "Rich people don't want their kids to go to school with poor or special needs kids."

First, people, no matter what their background, shouldn't want their kids to be harmed. Whether they are harmed by not learning anything or harmed physically. While, as we have both noted, there are some bright spots in elementary schools in the district, high schools like Roosevelt continue to have significant problems that would be an "opt out" for any parent regardless of income. Why ALL the parents of Roosevelt aren't up in arms already and demanding changes I can't say. They should be. Just in the last two years there have been three sexual abuse cases on Roosevelt campus including a 15 year old girl being attacked by two fellow students in the basement bathroom. But that's "rich people" for you, so classist they won't send their daughters into a school which refuses to discipline or throw out kids that have no business being in the school in the first place.

Second, you can bleat on all you want about how it's all because "rich people" won't get involved or send their kids to certain schools, but for those of us who graduated from well-run "urban" public high schools know it has nothing to do with the complection or means of the students and has everything to do with the people that run the school and the agenda they set.

Third, you make a lot of assumptions about people moving into PW and their backgrounds and motivations. While I would likely send my child to some of the public elementary schools in DC, I would NOT send any child of mine to Roosevelt until the district gets serious about discipline and setting standards for staff and students. The Houston and Philly examples show that a serious commitment to standards and safety will make a difference in high schools... and that has nothing to due with whether snotty spoiled white kids show up or not.

steve said...

alas, my poor portrait...spoiled again by the DC school system.

Kidding, 100 years, kidding.

Christina said...

I tend to agree with "Trash." I don't begrudge any parent for trying to do the best for his or her kid. But I do think that people tend to leap to conclusions about D.C. schools, and maybe not think about what they can do to try to make the situation better. We all have a part to play. I mean, I'm sorry, I would easily lose Temperance Hall and any of the other hipster hangouts (that I, too, enjoy) if it meant that Powell or McFarland or Roosevelt (my "zoned" schools) could be better. Why do people feel like they can write letters on behalf of Yes! Market but not spend an hour a week reading to a kid? Schools are a part of a neighborhood too, not just T.Hall and Red Rocks.

Maybe it wasn't put in the nicest of ways, but I don't think it's so crazy to ask people to consider what they are saying about the schools, and consider perhaps setting foot in one before dismissing them from consideration. I have no idea what the lady profiled in this story did, and I'm not calling her out. I wish her and her family all the best. But some of the anger and dismissive comments leveled at "Trash" seem of proportion to the supposedly offensive comments.

Prince of Petworth said...

I'd like to apologize if I set a bad tone. I should know better. I would not have reacted as I did if "trash" didn't come across as so smug and condecending. I think since he is a public school teacher he got a little sensitive.

By the way I'm just curious: Do you or Trash have any opinions about the war in Iraq? Are you able to comfortably talk about them or are your opinions dismissed because you have never been to Iraq?

1000 years of joy said...

Hats off to these young people who were profiled with a picture, their real names and a story for all to share and enjoy. Salutations also to POP for the hard work in creating and maintaining this marvelous forum.
Boo to the anonymous negative-nellie who decided to infer sinister nonsense based on the thoughts of future schooling decisions for a newborn; you made the whole thing sucky, stupid and pointless. I've seen your tactics on this and other list-serves along with the highhanded word-smithing and trite use of "quote marks". It is shallow and beyond boring and attention should not be paid.

steve said...

speaking for my wife (not always the best idea)...the reason we'd like to send child(ren) to a math/science charter school is not in and of itself because of the 'terrible DC schools.' We both have math and science backgrounds and think (hope?) our kids will enjoy those subjects as much as we. Math and science education (at the elementary level) in this country is generally abysmal; I used to be a college science teacher, and I saw the kids coming through who didn't know what an atom was, what a galaxy was, how to solve a single-variable equation. Our hope is that these charter schools will address an issue that our governments just don't seem to want to address - that our science and math skills in this country are quickly declining. Hopefully, even, some of these charter-school kids will decide to stay in the city and go on to teach science or math in the public schools.
But until I'm convinced they're going to get a quality education in the public school system - at least as good as mine in Cook County(IL) or Montgomery County - we're putting them where we think they'll have their best chances.

Christina said...

PoP, yes, of course I have opinions about the War in Iraq. But you better believe that I show due deference to those who have been there. They may not change my mind, but I respect their opinions. Is that so much to ask?

I don't know what, if any, previous dealings are between you and "Trash." It's just that I don't think it's so crazy for someone to say, hey, you know, maybe you can investigate a school before you dismiss an entire system as irreparable. Again, the schools are just as much a part of the neighborhood as the Dunkin Donuts or the bars. What would you think about someone who said "I've never been to Domku before, but I just KNOW they're all a bunch of racist assholes! I hear that from a lot of people so I'm sure it's true."

I bet you would think that was a pretty stupid, ill-advised statement. I would agree. Why is the bar for slamming D.C. public schools so much lower?

(Again, I'm not saying what this particular couple did or did not do -- I'm speaking more generally.)

I'm not even DEFENDING the schools, which I know have *serious* problems, so much as I'm defending the idea of getting first-hand knowledge. After all, it's not as hard to get to the schools as it is to get to Baghdad.

Prince of Petworth said...

Good point Christina. This is why I love the comment section. I may have been a bit unreasonable. I again apologize for the tone I took earlier. Of course, I support the idea of strong public schools (I was a product of one) but I think I also have the right to be wary. Check out Oden's comments above.

Christina said...

Oden's post is great because s/he explains that turning around urban school systems is not impossible. However (and here's where I'm arguing against myself, a bit) the so-called "Texas Miracle" as demonstrated by Houston schools was less the result of Rod Paige's leadership and more the result of some really serious juggling of numbers:


It wasn't all as nice as originally thought, sadly. Googling Texas Miracle or Houston Miracle can get you more on this.

That said, there are pockets of success even within our own district. And, yes, they tend to be schools where the middle class community has hung in and said, "we're going to stay here and make this work." Not everything can be fixed at central office, just like we can't count on the city to pick up every bit of trash we see. As much as we wish it to be otherwise, sometimes we as citizens have to put our shoulders to the wheel.

But enough about all this -- congrats to this lovely couple, I hope the best for them, and PoP, get a new camera! ;-)

oden said...

In fairness, the CBS story about HISD's "number juggling" has to do with dropout rates alone... not test scores, capital improvements, higher graduation rates, reduced admin. costs, etc. In large part the CBS story was an attack piece on Rod Paige and "No Child Left Behind" which was struggling through Congress at the time. While I am no fan of Bush, or Paige's personal style for that matter, you can't argue with the facts. Just as Houston's schools are demonstrably better then they were in 1995 by just about any measurement, the national test scores since "No Child" have also gone up. A lot of the venom spewed at Rod Paige and GW is well deserved, but as far as school results go please do Google beyond the dropout rate "fudge". While it is disappointing the administration at HISD played funny games with the dropout rates, it is hardly the whole story. At the time of the debate I was as dubious as many others about GW's ability to fix schools (or do anything that requires thought), and swayed by the NEA's drumbeat of doom regarding "No Child", but the teacher's union was *wrong*. "No Child" may not be perfect, but it has shown results that the NEA's leadership and rank and file have failed to produce as public schools head into the crapper nationally. While I congratulate teachers and their willingness to pursue that vocation, that doesn't mean they have a corner on wisdom when it comes to getting results we all want to see.

Christina said...

Oden: In addition to the dropout data, there were serious allegations that the test scores were "goosed up" by keeping low-performing kids from taking the standardized tests.

I also think that dropout data is pretty darn important. You can't teach kids who aren't there.

You know more about Houston schools than I do, having attended them. I won't argue against the facts you present. My thought, which is not directed at you but at HISD, is that if you're *really* doing well, let the real numbers tell the story; don't engage in shenanigans. Because then it puts all your achievements, legitimate though they may be, in dispute.

Project KB said...

Hello PoP Friends! Long time Reader. First time commenter.

Oden Said... "While I congratulate teachers and their willingness to pursue that vocation, that doesn't mean they have a corner on wisdom when it comes to getting results we all want to see."

Oden: It seems to me that those of us who chose to go along with NCLB and become "highly qualified" have spent minimum 4-7 years in college studying best practices and what works. (It took me 8 but I took the long way). Unfortunately, I believe I can safely assume the majority of our lawmakers spent 0 years in college reading/conducting research on what works in the field of education. They pass bills that get them re-elected.

Who then do you propose has this "corner of wisdom"?

I am not trying to pick a fight. Just curious.

reuben said...

Everyone says they hope their neighborhood retains its diversity. I am sure they mean it. I cannot, however, think of a single instance in which this occured... Georgetown? Adams Morgan? Surely not the rapidly changing Columbia Heights.

oden said...

Christina: I recall that there were a lot of "allegations" made about HISD's results. The one that bore fruit, and caused a lot of resignations in the district, was the dropout rate scandal. I totally agree that it casts a shadow over the results in general, but it is also true that a lot of the bile spewed on HISD is politically motivated by those who have a vested interest in beating back NCLB. HISD became a pawn in the national debate.

kb: All I can say in retort is those lawmakers who spent zero years studying education (but presumably consulted people who had) passed a very controversial package that was basically laughed at by many well-educated experts but has subsequently shown results that those same experts have consistently failed to produce. Like many progressively-minded people I was willing to believe it would fail to produce results but the uptick in scores tell a different story. I was wrong. For one thing, while there are many well-educated and motivated teachers there are also some who need to be shown the door and the current public school system makes that very difficult. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that one of the reasons supporters of charter schools say they deliver better results in DC with the same student body as the DC public schools is because they don't have unions and layers of bureaucracy to deal with. That's not the only reason, to be sure, but the machinations administration has to go through to boot a bad teacher in DC are ridiculous. So maybe it takes people from outside the system to suggest the changes needed to allow people with years of education training to do what they do best: teach children.

Are the new federal requirements the total solution? Clearly not. But in comparison to the system as it has been run the new requirements have the benefit of producing better results. Further, we have yet to see the real impact of these reforms on a generation of students completely educated under the new regime. In seven or eight years if the numbers keep trending up what will critics say then? It's just dumb luck?

The notion that parents, non-parents (like me), lawmakers, and the citizen-at-large can't have a say in running a system that effects all of us is wrong. It's tantamount to saying since I haven't gone through the police academy I can't have an opinion about policing or crime, or saying that you can't have an opinion about the NCLB legislation since you haven't been elected to Congress (presumably) or graduated law school (presumably). Having a dysfunctional school system that doesn't prepare our fellow citizens for productive and happy lives effects everyone. Teachers, no matter how many dissertation they've written, do NOT have the only perspective on what changes need to be made.

oden said...

Ruben: It's true. The price pressure forces people of moderate means out. After all, I am certainly someone who couldn't afford anything in Georgetown (not that I'd want to. M Street reminds me of "Main Street USA" at Disneyworld). While Fenty and the other city fathers/mothers talk a good game about "affordable housing" it's hard for a politician to buck the "not in my back yard" mentality. If you are making less than $30K a year (or getting social security) how in the hell can you come up with rent, or even if you live in a paid-off house, $3K or more for taxes? Eat every other day? Middle class folks are going to be forced out of PW eventually. It's a shame too because, like 100 Years of Trash, I don't care for you "rich people" and your hating on fireworks. :)

Project KB said...

Oden, you need a blog. I will come visit it frequently.

Fireworks are patriotic.

odentex said...

kb: funny you should mention that as I just found a shiny new purpose for my formally dormant blog. http://odentex.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

This is all very insightful and informing. I hope everyone keeps in mind that the reason everyone gets so snippy and short over this topic is that everyone (at least here) does care about the issue. I will leave the definition of "caring" up for interpretation.

How much of the money (13,000 per student) goes to plain old public school and not public charter schools? How do they figure out this number and who/what is included.

I recall when I was younger receiving standardized tests given at the beginning and end of every year that were used to gauge the progress a student over that period of time. I also remember taking time out of the day to actually study practice tests and go over the structure of the test.

When it came time to actually take the test at the end of the year, I would sit down and quickly realizing that it was exactly the same as the one I took earlier in the year. I never felt as though I knew more than I did the first time I saw it I just knew the answers from having already done it before.

I am much less informed on the inner workings of NCLB than perhaps 1/3 of the audience here and equally ignorant as the rest, but what I do know, or at least believe to be true, is that students are being taught to regurgetate information as opposed to actually gaining some comprehensive understanding of it. All for the benefit of some stupid score that doesn't really gauge whether or not the child has improved. At best it tests their ability to take standardized tests.

The amount of attention being paid to these tests is taking away from the time a teacher has in the classroom to get through the curiculum they need to cover for the year.

Obviously, if not just hopefully, during the course of studying for these tests learning is still going on, but how can we expect our children to excel in math and science when the teachers are forced to stop what they are doing to prepare the students to study inane reading passages and then write an equally pointless passage summarizing what happened in the reading.

What I fear most about NCLB is that although scores may be rising, students still aren't learning getting a handle on the skills that will benefit them the most. Perhaps I am naive or just so anti-W that I don't have a reasonable expectation for anything he attaches his name to.

And perhaps I am just misinformed or regretfully unaware of what the real deal is behind NCLB, but I have known and spoken with many teachers and I can't recall one of them telling me they think that NCLB is working. I haven't even had a teacher told me they were indifferent to it. So pishaw on the "uptick" of scores...

Even the man who passed the bill had an occassional "uptick" in his scores both in school and in approval poles. Does that indicate intelligence or how people really feel about the direction our country is headed? Perhaps for those who remain cheerfully optimistic in the face of impending disaster.

Those scores are just a number politicians can tout to show how much they "care" about the youth of America. Until they find out they can't or wouldn't vote for them. It's time to stop worrying about some score and start worrying about teaching our children. And teaching them well.

I hope, if we are stuck with NCLB, it does in fact work, but I have my doubts.

Golden Silence said...

"Brookland wasn't city enough..."

True. But I like it regardless.

Anonymous said...

To 1000 years of Joy: I guess you are referring to some other anonymous as I did not use a single quotation mark in my comments. :)

By the way, how do you identify where else someone has posted? Is it through the IPO address (or some such techie thing I do not really understand) or something else? Just curious.